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PostSubject: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:09 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:15 pm

TBH that SMG is cray - 38-40 damage, wth?
And the C version has 0.3s ready time - that is a) fvcking overpowered, and b) contradicting UBI's own words concerning ready time. Remember the "+0.3s for all shotguns" hype? Which should have been the 0.3s+ rdy time hype, but anyway - that smg draws as fast as my px4. Bad news. SMGrecons are being more and more overpowered.
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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:33 pm

power full 6.5x25mm? heh sounds fishy.
*looks it up on wiki*
O.o
*look up weapon on wiki*
O.O




this weapon is OP!!!
ofcourse it is, is made in sweden!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:55 pm

So shiny and green Very Happy
Wish they would tell us the magazine sizes. They say that the pistol has a 'respectable' magazine size, but what the hell is that compared to? Razz
I'm a bit confused about the fire rate. Surely low fire rate (below 600RPM for the standard SMG, pretty sure that's the slowest of all the full autos in the game) means less kick? And yes, the C variant is indeed cray. I would even go as far as to say it was cray cray.  0.3s is the ready time on my P45, ie, instantaneous. This is EXACTLY the reason why shotguns got that stupid ready time increase, because you could stop running and immediately fire, then run again :PAnd Nast, it looks like you were exactly right about the Extended Magazine option for the GRFS SMG. *Sigh*

Any information on when they're out? Based on everyone's opinions on the official forums, these are going to cost 47k RP.
Standard SMG doesn't have the slowest fire rate, but it's damn well near to it (the winner of that goes to the standard SAR-21, at 550RPM)

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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:38 pm

Second batch is out:
http://ghost-recon.ubi.com/ghost-recon-online/en-GB/community-news/index.aspx?c=tcm:21-112310-16&ct=tcm:6-231-32
Will develop/share opinions later, playing games with friends Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:53 pm

Well I must say the SV versions look kinda neat - maybe put that ridiculous Nemesis muzzle break on them, they might actually be useful...
As for the rest of them, thanks to the balance guys for the low control. I have a feeling these are going to be the new OP41 of the assault/spec, high damage but also huge kicking in all directions. Hopefully.
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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:48 pm

Yeah, the general them of this whole tier so far seems to be 'royally fcuk control' Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:17 am

They look overpowered indeed, haven't checked the in-game stats yet so my opinion may change. I already hate the F2000 for instance since it's overpowered (some people long-range with the F2000, w t f ...) so yeah, not quite sure if I even want to encounter these in-game.

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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:39 am

>< how i hate the spas. its just silly.
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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:08 pm

As I said somewhere else, the SPAS will be nerfed. No question about that, the question is "when". But I guess in a timely manner.

Regarding the sniping F2000, the recipe is simple:
F2k Original. Grip. Muzzle brake (break?). And a 3.5x assault scope.
Use semi fire mode. Deal out headshots. ~60 Dmg, obviously 2-shots recons, and sometimes specialists as well. Twisted Evil 

Which is also (to get back on topic) the reason why I decided not to buy the Tier 8 assault rifle, the Mk17. Check this comparison out:

RifleMk17 SV  |Mk17  |Mk16 SV  |"Sniper" F2k  |"light" F2k
withBi-PodGripBi-PodGripGripalso, most of them have Muzzle Brake to increase control - except the "light" F2k, which has a flash hider instead.
Damage5654394040
RoF550550620800800
Accuracy8979897979
Control5242564438
Ready time1.080.8510.830.75
Shots to kill
Rec/Spec/Ass
2/3/32/3/33/3-4/4-53/3/43/3/4
Time to kill
(Assault, in sec)
0.3270.3270.4830.3000.300
As you see, except for high damage/shot, the Mk16 SV and the F2k are still on par, if not superior to the Mk17/Mk17SV.
Mk16 SV still has highest control (important for full-auto sniping).
F2k is fastest to kill while having decent full-auto control, and is superior in CQC, where you don't ADS anyway. Also, ready time, just saying.
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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:26 pm

I hate to be a butt, but you TTK calculations are a bit off. When you divide 60 by the RoF, you work out the time between each shot being fired. However, with the first shot, there's no time between clicking and the shot going off (assuming you aren't sprinting or doing anything else to delay shooting), so you ignore one shot.

For example, the MK17 SV TTK is: (60/550)*2 (we'll assume you're against an Assault or Specialist, or an insert Recon)=0.218s.

So the actual TTK for the weapons is (not going to use a table, tried to before and ended up losing everything I typed Razz)

MK17 SV: 0.218s
Mk17: 0.218s
MK16 SV: 0.387s
'Sniper' F2k: 0.225s
'Light' F2k: 0.225s

Not a huge difference, but it's still a difference :3 (it's worth noting that I didn't work this out myself, I got it from a Wrel video Razz) The TTK still ends up pretty close though. And, like you said Nast, ready time Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:01 pm

Hmm - so you're saying that I used "one shot too much" for each TTK calculation?
I see.
Because it's
Shot-Wait-Shot-Wait-Shot-He's dead
instead of
Shot-Wait-Shot-Wait-Shot-Wait-he's dead.
The last "wait" is superflouous (not needed - superflousomething)
Makes sense.

Actually either way makes sense, cause, say you got multiple targets and full-auto spray all of them... then that "last 'wait'" needs to be considered... i guess. I usually die at that point Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Standart Tier 8 weapons are coming.   Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:13 pm

Actually I meant that the way you did it was Wait-Shot-Wait-Shot Razz Of course, in actual gameplay, you'll have ready time to deal with, giving you a looong Wait before the Shot, you'll be missing some shots, you'll be hitting the head, getting crits, hitting arms and legs, and in spray and pray you are, as you said, likely to continue shooting until you're sure he's dead Razz

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