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PostSubject: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:46 pm



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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:57 pm

Wow. That really is a big image O_O
But yeah, haven't you heard? The military is hiring people with three arms now. That gun is for one of those people. The third arm apparently grows out of the armpit...
Why did you blur your username, RP and avatar though? Razz
BTW, I've heard that the long-range variant of that (the L86 SV) is amazing. If you go for the SV gun, make sure you get a Phantom scope to go with it Smile

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:05 pm

Haha, I've heard about a third leg, but a third arm ... that's news! I tried resizing it but somehow it refuses to use my resized version of the picture.

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:15 pm

I am definitively going for the SV version - 43 Dmg @ 610 rpm, and stable as an AR, eff yeah.
It reminded me of some mod for CounterStrike, where you had 2 hands on your M4 or whatever, and a third one with an akimbo handgun - that could come in handy at times (see what I did there Very Happy ?)
Also, insert doubious Douglas Adams reference here - apparently those three hands (and two heads) person is a character from one of his books Question

On a different subject, I anonymized that pic 'cause I can't stop nobody from reposting it somewhere else, and I don't want my name all over the place because reasons.
Heck I might even repost this myself to forums where I am not necessarily known as good ole Nas, but maybe as [redacted] or maybe even the famous [name removed]
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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:38 am

hey guys let me give u some good advice...its not about which weapon u got...u need too get used of one weapon wery good and all that counts its skills....i am not here anymore but who know maybe i come back
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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:22 pm

Although you do have a point saying a gun isn't all that matters, and that skill is more important, I do notice that I preform better using the Sentinel SR-I SV than the standard issue SR, and that the PP-19 SP is better than the usual SMG.
I think the point of this post was more pointing out that three hands always beat two Wink I would say that all and all this is a pretty decent gun, although a 30-bullet magazine would seem a bit limited compared to the 53 I'm now used to.

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:01 pm

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I preform better using the Sentinel SR-I SV than the standard issue SR

Well, in fairness, the standard issue SR fires high velocity breadcrumbs that can just about kill a Recon Razz

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:33 pm

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I preform better using the Sentinel SR-I SV than the standard issue SR

Well, in fairness, the standard issue SR fires high velocity breadcrumbs that can just about kill a Recon Razz

I didn't say it was terrible and useless, not at all, just that I prefer my current set-up with higher damage per shot, a better scope and an awesome crit-rate (yes yes, that could also have been the case for the standard sr) I'm currently doubting whether or not I should buy the M200 I was planning to buy or not, since it will take quite some time to get to level 7 again. "Progress for the sake of progress should be halted"

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:38 pm

Yeah it's always best to have three arms, and three hands for them (see what I did there? Wink )

To add to the ongoing debate, well, firstly those 53 SMG rounds are fired much more rapidly than my 30 AR or LMG bullets - I guess it takes both of us the same time to empty a magazine. Also, my bullets are bigger, meaning they do more damage - two or three shots from my AR will kill most anything, it might easily take twice the number of rounds from an SMG.

Skill does of course matter, as in for example knowing the right spots to be in where you have cover and a clear field of fire etc, and your familiarity with your favourite gun will make you much more efficient. BUT, if your favourite gun happens to be an M27, (or an M24GI for our snipers here), you are still fvcked if you have to go fight an F2000, or an SVDS, or an MG36SV (can't remember the lvl30 LMG, but you get the idea).
Also, as Mortem said, crit rates. When used to one gun, you get the most awesome crit rates out of it - that's why I as lvl 20 assault still play a lvl 10 gun, because of that 20+% chance that it will cause 100+ dmg one-shot-kills.


As to the "high velocity breadcrumbs", you should have learned (will learn?) in physics that force F kinetic energy (and hence damage) is equal to 0.5 times the mass of the object (breadcrumb) times the velocity TO THE SECOND POWER which is huuuge.
Let's say you accelerate a breadcrumb, mass = 1 g, to the speed of sound.
Then F E=0.5*1g*(1200km/h)*(1200km/h) = 55.555... Newton*meter (aka Joule)
which is the equivalent of over 5kg. That is quite a lot for our 0.001 Kg breadcrumb, isn't it? Also, this force is concentrated on a very small area, because breadcrumbs are small, so the pressure it creates will be even greater.
I don't want to get hit by that...

Yeah I am a nerd. study

EDIT:
my last physics class has been a while ago. Post has been fixed, wrong stuff and new stuff.


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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:42 pm

Newton clearly stated Force is mass times acceleration. You mentioned the formula for Kinetic Energy, 1/2 * m v².

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:51 pm

And that is why I don't study Physics but Maths and Computer Science.
Shame on me.

My argument is still valid though, I believe...
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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:24 pm

Since Newton is an other term for kgm/s², we can just multiply the mass of a 7.62×51mm NATO M118 bullet (as fired by the M24 SWS) in kilograms by the decelleration of the bullet upon impact (let's assume this to be from muzzle velocity to standstill over a period of 0.01 seconds). In figures this would mean 0.0097 (9.7 gram bullet) * 85000 (850 m/s muzzle velocity per 0.01 second) = 824,4 Newton so about 84 kg actually! (Note that the 0.01s is an estimation since I couldn't really find decent literature on it) since the crossectional area of the bullet at the widest point is 4.5 cm² we are facing a pressure of over 1.8 MILLION Pascal, about 18 atmosphere on your skull.

ADD: 0.01s was based on my own thought of it being in the range of 0.1s and the sources I did find stating that in a hard substance such as plastic it would be 0.0017 seconds. Since you initially have the hard skull, which quickly decelerates the bullet, then the softer brain tissue, I thought the value would be higher than the value I found, but deceleration seems too be faster than I imagined initially.

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:34 pm

wtf are you guys talking about here ???...this game aint realistic, so i think energy isnt 100% in this game....and pls dont turn this forum in too science Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:36 pm

You guys are actually using PHYSICS?! I just meant that it was weak and is incapable of killing even a Specialist...

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:41 pm

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wtf are you guys talking about here ???
FreedomTaker wrote:
You guys are actually using PHYSICS?!

Haha, never allow two nerds to argue, even if it is about NOTHING Wink As you may have guessed I'm a science major too, I study Food Technology. I don't need bullet kinetics or anything and my math skills are terrible, but this was just too much fun Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:46 pm

If it was about something not maths/physics related, but something video game or trivia related, trust me I would join in >Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:21 pm

Mortem6 wrote:
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Haha, never allow two nerds to argue, even if it is about NOTHING Wink As you may have guessed I'm a science major too, I study Food Technology. I don't need bullet kinetics or anything and my math skills are terrible, but this was just too much fun Twisted Evil

Indeed, it is very much.

Just a quick question, your "terrible maths skills" - do you mean maths skills or number skills? Wink because the maths I study has nothing at all to do with numbers, actually they make us suspicious...
I myself wrote:
There is a "2" in that equation - this can't be right.
Maths to me is more like "Proof this", or "Is that statement true for all rational numbers? How about complex numbers?" and it's all greek letters... fun though.
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PostSubject: Re: This gun is "useful". (Warning, big image.)   Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:57 pm

Nastarovije wrote:
Just a quick question, your "terrible maths skills" - do you mean maths skills or number skills? Wink because the maths I study has nothing at all to do with numbers, actually they make us suspicious...
I myself wrote:
There is a "2" in that equation - this can't be right.
Maths to me is more like "Proof this", or "Is that statement true for all rational numbers? How about complex numbers?" and it's all greek letters... fun though.

A combination of both. I suck at basic operations such as integers and derivatives. Also partial deriviation, making models and usual algebra are involved and well, I'm terrible at those things too Razz
The greek letters we come past are usually chemophysical constants etc.

ADD: Shall we get back to the topic?

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PostSubject: -_-   Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:29 am

i realy try to read all this few times but finally i give up! thnx Razz lol!
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